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the fiscal cliff has all americans worried. after meeting with president obama this week with his fellow governors, my next guest says a failure to reach a solution would send his state into a recession. joining me now is utah governor gary herbert, a member of the national governors association executive committee. governor, welcome. >> thank you. it's an honor to be with you. >> i'm so glad you're here. i want to get your thoughts from inside the room there in person. did president obama make the case for his plan differently than he's been making it publicly? >> well, i think he knew that we were a bipartisan group. we had republicans and democrat governors there. did not expect us to come out and support one plan or the other, which we said going in we would not do. but we were grateful that he actually asked for our advice and our input. states and governors too often have been ignored, have been kind of an afterthought. and frankly we think that if congress and washington would look to the states and the governors they would develop better policy. so we were honored to be there to
attended that harvard institute of policy forum. last week with top advisers from both the obama and romney campaigns. they just released, by the way, tonight, we have the audio recordings of that not filmed event. we have a real autopsy of what went on behind the scenes during the primaries, the conventions, and the general election on the romney side. let's start with the republican race for the nomination. romney's campaign manager matt rhoades was asked whether his candidate had gone too far to the right on immigration when challenged by texas governor rick perry and whether he had any regret about that. rhoades brings up the romney attacks on perry for calling social security a ponzi scheme and says he now feels that would have been enough to defeat perry. he says he didn't need to take the hard right stance on immigration. let's listen to this. here it is. >> i regret that -- i truly believe that people were shocked that we were going after governor perry in a republican primary on social security. they were critical of us at the time saying we were hitting him from the left, and, you
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